Pamela:
Hello and Good day, eh? Welcome to the Super Good Camping podcast. My name is Pamela
Tim:
I’m Tim
Pamela:
and we are from supergoodcamping.com. We’re here because we’re on a mission to inspire other families to enjoy camping adventures such as we have with our kids. Today, we wanted to welcome a wonderful husband and wife couple. They canoe and hike in an epic way. We share many of the same motivations inspired to get others outside and into nature and leave no trace to name a couple. They currently have 25 videos on their YouTube channel chronicling their travel adventures and a stellar Instagram account please welcome Alex and Jess otherwise known as Tents and Timber. So the first thing that we wanted to know is who’s tents and who’s timber?
Alex:
We were wondering if you’re gonna ask us that!
Pamela:
Is the name just because of being out in the woods and in a tent?
Alex:
It’s kind of a play on words, so we let people guess as to who’s who and how that kind of works out.
Tim:
I had that answer. And you said I wasn’t allowed to say it here.
Pamela:
We’re a PG-rated show!
Alex:
It’s a family show.
Tim:
We’re taking a shot at it anyhow. All right, so I followed you guys for a while.
Alex:
Thank you!
Pamela:
Tim watches a lot of camping videos.
Tim:
I have some issues!
Alex:
We all suffer from that!
Tim:
Yeah, it’s good. It’s a group psychosis thing. How did you guys get into camping but segue that into you got into camping what made you go that extra step to start doing the couple camping, not just front country but into the backcountry, et cetera, et cetera? Give me that road.
Alex:
Sure I can give you my history. Jess’ is slightly different than mine in the beginning. Myself, I always just went car camping as a child with my family. We had a trailer and tents and everything. So we bounced around to all of the different Ontario parks pretty much as a child. We ventured out to the East Coast once or twice, but you know, pretty much growing up into my mid-20s. I was always just driving up with my car, unloading everything, and camping right there. Like a lot of people do.
Jess:
Now, I hadn’t really slept in a tent until I was 16-17 years old, so in my later teens. Then we started with our friends car camping and getting into provincial parks. I couldn’t get enough of that. I wanted to be out there all the time, and then Alex started kind of dabbling in the backcountry. And then we did a backcountry camping trip in Killarney with another couple and I just got the bug. I’m hooked. I can’t get enough of it.
Pamela:
Killarney’s awesome! Beautiful park!
Alex:
Absolutely. So yeah, Jess and I have been together for like, roughly 15’ish years now. And we started car camping originally together. And then I started going on what she calls “man camping trips” with my friends into the backcountry, and I absolutely loved it. I’ve never really done it before until my mid-20s. And then Jess and I have been just pushing ourselves and trying to get out there as much as we absolutely can and trying all different types of camping, whether it’s hiking, backpacking, or canoeing, and we still go car camping as well.
Pamela:
Do you have a favourite park?
Alex:
Favourite Park? That’s a tough one. It depends on if we’re going car camping or front-country camping or going backcountry, it totally depends. We really enjoy Grundy Lake Provincial Park if we’re doing front country camping or car camping.
Jess:
Yeah, we really enjoy Arrowhead as well.
Pamela:
We loved Arrowhead too!
Alex:
As far as backcountry, or canoe camping, you can’t go wrong with Algonquin. It’s the closest for us. That’s why we kind of prefer that one. But there are so many like French River, Killarney… There are so many places to go and see, it’s hard to just say this is my favourite because we want to go to them all.
Pamela:
Yeah, Tim and Thomas are going to take on the French River this year.
Jess:
Oh, wonderful, it was a lot of fun.
Tim:
Yeah, well, it looks like it. The big kid, he’s my camping partner. We’ve done Algonquin a few times, Kawartha Highlands, and Killarney – all lake destinations and portages. I’m not a spring chicken anymore. I wanted to try you know, a bucket list item, I wanted to try a river-type deal. So we actually read one of the books, I think it was the Top 60 Canoe Routes book of Kevin Callan’s and he maps out a massive route where Iroquois and the guys that have the fur hats, hunters, trappers…
Alex:
Voyageurs?
Tim:
Thank you. As you get older, you lose words! He mapped out a brilliant, amazing route except that it’s like 85 kilometers. I tend to be a taskmaster and we just push, push, push, but I want to back off. I want to spend some time and do some fishing, which we’ll get talking about at some point, I’m sure. Maybe just spend some time shooting some content, so this was the year to do a river route. So we’re really looking forward to doing the French River.
Alex:
We don’t think we’ve finished your first question there.
Tim:
All right.
Alex:
We got into social media, I suppose.
Tim:
Yeah!
Alex:
That was relatively recent and it started with friends and family. Our parents were always asking “hey, what are you doing?” and “where are you going?” and so we just wanted to share our adventures with them and then it just kind of spiraled from there. We have random strangers now asking us about our trips and then the community started building. That’s been the absolute best part for us is communicating with people like yourself and reaching out and just chatting about gear and trips and routes.
Jess:
The like-minded people that we’ve come across really have just been an amazing part of being part of this big community that there is here in Ontario.
Tim:
Yeah, it is. It’s a huge community, right? Yeah, the Ontario Outdoor Adventurers is what I sort of peg everybody as, but there are so many of them. A perfect example is you guys at the Ontario Outdoor Adventure Show, and then Kevin’s running through like a lunatic with his camera and stuff. And then suddenly there are 18 of you in a shot, and you’re all of the people that we watch. I thought that was awesome.
Alex:
Yeah, that was a tonne of fun. Getting out there and meeting all of the other YouTubers and all the social media people, was an absolute blast. And yeah, Kevin surprised us. We were right there at the end and he just threw up the camera in front of our faces. It was a tonne of fun.
Tim:
Cool, very cool. So you do tonnes of backcountry stuff. Very cool. And there’s a particular video, it’s not going to come to me, but you spent a night in the front country in order to be ready to jump into the backcountry. It’s probably the one that I’ve watched a couple of times, just because I liked the smartness of being there ready to go rather than driving for four hours and then launching yourself into the backcountry being exhausted and paddling like a lunatic. It was a brilliant prep move and I stole it from you. I’ve used it now. We did Tea Lake in Algonquin last year and we stayed in the front country for the first night and then used that to move into the backcountry. It was brilliant, so thank you for that.
Jess:
You’re welcome.
Tim:
It will be copyrighted later. Now that you’ve done that sort of backcountry thing for canoeing talk to me about hiking and what would make you go hiking. I love water, I hate portages, not hate, I dislike them quite a bit. It’s heavy, sweaty, buggy, all that sort of thing. My tiny brain says that’s what hiking is. You’re not carrying a canoe, but outside of that you’re carrying the heavy pack, you’re sweaty, you’re up, you’re down. Why hiking, what made you guys want to do some of that?
Jess:
I think it’s just the challenge. I know for myself, I like the challenge of getting my pack as light as I can and getting our food on point. For me, that’s a big challenge. It’s a massive physical challenge too, big on endurance and strength. And yeah, that’s a big part of it for me.
Alex:
And we just like to mix it up. There are a lot of lakes in Algonquin, obviously. But there are only so many places and different loops and routes that you can go, so we just wanted to mix it up and try new things and get out there as much as we can. So we’re up for the adventure. Any type of adventure, it doesn’t matter.
The West Coast Trail in BC, Canada
Tim:
So speaking of hiking adventures, you recently did a massive West Coast Trail trip.
Alex:
Yeah.
Tim:
Cool. And for the record, I looked it up and I saw West Coast Trail, I saw Pacific Crest Trail and I also saw Pacific Coast Trail. I swear the two PCTs are the same thing, it’s just people using different terms, but I was trying to read about it. Tell me about your West Coast Trail trip.
Alex:
Yeah, the PCT’s, those ones are across the whole United States. The West Coast Trail is on the west side of Vancouver Island in British Columbia. It is a backpacking, hiking trail multi-day, obviously, as it’s 75 kilometres long, so they recommend about five to seven nights. We try and treat a lot of our canoe trips and hiking trips and whatever backpacking trips as vacations because we only get so much vacation time per year. And if we spend all of our vacation camping and canoeing, we want to actually enjoy a lot of it and not necessarily push ourselves to try to get as far as we can every single day. So we really tried to slow it down a little bit, so we’re relaxing and whatnot. We figured if we were traveling from Ontario all the way to BC by plane we wanted to make sure that we enjoyed the trail as much as we could. So we actually spent seven nights on the trail. We probably could have done it with a faster time, but we wanted to enjoy everything that we’ve read about the West Coast Trail. It is just absolutely stunning. So we wanted to fully take everything in as much as we could. So the West Coast Trail is 75 kilometers long. It started as a First Nations Trade route. Then roughly 200 years ago, when all the ships started coming around, they started crashing into the shoreline. So that trail ended up becoming a rescue lifeline for all of the shipwrecks and all the people that crashed there. It became known as the graveyard of the Pacific actually. Along the trail, as you’re hiking along it you can see all the shipwrecks and there are boat anchors and parts all over the shore which makes the history of it real. They are really unique. We always like looking up the history of the areas before we get there. So that part was really, really interesting. The trail itself is absolutely nuts. It is listed as one of the most challenging or toughest trails in Canada. We started at the north end of the trail so therefore we had to take a shuttle to get there.
Jess:
Yeah, we landed at Victoria and we ended up just staying in a hostel for the first night. So we kind of did the jump-off like we did at Cedar Lake. So we stayed in a hostel and got the shuttle. Then there was a logistics thing for us flying from Ontario to the WCT. We couldn’t bring fuel, right? So there are certain things you couldn’t pack. So luckily, obviously, the shuttles are for campers. So the shuttle that we booked, we could purchase our fuel from them. Then it was about five hours or so on that shuttle to get to the trailhead. It’s right along the southern coast of Vancouver Island, so it’s one-directional. You start at the West end, or you start at the East end. We chose to start at the far end and then work our way back toward Victoria.
Tim:
Cool.
Alex:
Yeah. You have to definitely look it up. I don’t know if it’s on your bucket list or not yet.
Tim:
I’m old.
Jess:
I do recommend it!
Tim:
It looks cool. Watching you do your trip logs on Instagram, I keep looking at it. Well, I think I posted the other day something about “Yeah, no” because it was a suspension bridge and then it was this switchback up against the mountain. “Yeah, no. No, thank you.” It looks fabulous, but I’m gonna watch people like you do it.
Alex:
Yeah, we hope to get a video of it up soon. This trip was actually before we started our social media accounts. We just wanted to go back through it and post it and share it with everybody because it was the trip of a lifetime. It was absolutely insane. There are over 100 vertical ladders that you have to climb over the length of the trail and about 100 more bridges and boardwalks that you have to cross.
Jess:
There are cable cars.
Alex:
Yeah, they even have cable cars, which is really cool. You hop in this little car and gravity takes you across the river, kind of like a chairlift on a ski hill or something but it’s just gravity fed and then you have to manually pull yourself.
Jess:
It gets you about halfway across the creek or river or whatever you’re crossing and then you’ve got to pull yourself.
Alex:
So yeah, it was just really, really unique. The wildlife was stunning. We saw bald eagles multiple times a day, whales, and sea lions every single day. You don’t get that here. We don’t really have whales in Ontario. So that part just absolutely blew our minds every single day.
Tim:
Very cool. Very cool that’s a bucket list item and done early. Nice job guys! I don’t even know where to go after something that massive. I’m so jealous. Everybody gets to do bucket lists. I have smaller bucket lists, interviewing Kevin Callan a few days ago was a bucket list thing for me because I’ve watched him really since he started to be on interviews “oh, that’s the camping guy right?”
Alex:
Yeah, he’s pretty popular that way.
Planning and Preparing for The West Coast Trail
Tim:
He is. So if you don’t mind, was it a quickly planned thing? I mean, it was a bucket list item so I assume you’ve been looking at it for ages. How long did you actually spend planning the trip? I’d like the nuts and bolts.
Jess:
Planning-wise we were about six months out. Booking the trip was a little bit different because it’s only open from May until September.
Alex:
They don’t allow you to get on the West Coast Trail during the wintertime because of the weather.
Jess:
And the wreckage is just crazy. So they only allow a certain number of campers per night on the trail so that is all coordinated, from the time that we booked it kind of got us organized. We were planning it for almost six months along with training for it as well.
Alex:
Yeah, we physically trained before we actually went on this trip to make sure that our bodies can handle the toughness of the terrain as well as the demand of going up and down mountains and up and down cliffs. Ladders that were slick so you’d slip on the rungs and things like that. So it was very challenging but an amazing trail.
Pamela:
What did you do to train for that?
Alex:
Just working out at home, jogging, and running. Yeah, we actually put on our backpacks and walked down the street. I’m sure our neighbours were like “where are they going?”
Jess:
Yeah, and I found some flights of stairs that I could do. So I did a lot of stairs and then I’d add in a weighted backpack just to kind of get my legs and my back prepared for the inclines was the big thing for that I did.
Alex:
We’d read there’s a crazy statistic actually, that they evacuate somebody from the West Coast Trail every day and a half. So that puts it in perspective. We wanted to make sure we were on our absolute A game.
Tim:
Yeah, so not ones to be hauled out. Yeah, good call.
Jess:
Yeah, it’s a temperate rainforest. So everything is wet all the time. Everything has mist on it or moss. There’s a tonne of banana slugs crawling over everything all the time.
Alex:
You’re basically just damp for the entire time.
Tim:
I sweat enough it doesn’t matter where I am. That’s how that plays for me. Footwear. So if everything’s slippery and wet, were you specific about what you want to have on your feet in order to minimize the slipperiness?
Alex:
Yeah, absolutely. I swear by my Salomons. I’ve worn them forever. And I keep buying the exact same pair of boots every single time. They have really good treads on the bottom kind of Chevron-shaped. And I absolutely love them. And Jess now swears by them too. She recently just bought a pair and now she’s using them as well. So that’s what we use. They’re GoreTex shoes and kept our feet dry for the most part. But we also wore gators, which if you’re unfamiliar with gators, are just basically like a little shield that comes up to just below your knee and helps to prevent your boots from filling with dirt and mud all the time because you’re just stepping in and walking in mud. Here’s a crazy statistic for you: The West Coast Trail receives 330 centimeters of rain a year versus Toronto receives 80 centimeters, I think.
Jess:
Yeah
Tim:
Yeah, it’d be way smaller. Yeah, for sure.
Alex:
It receives a lot more rain, so everything was wet and damp all of the time.
Tim:
Cool, but lots of green. So that’s nice. That’s easy on the eyes. Easy on the nerves. Right?
Alex:
Absolutely.
Jess:
It was beautiful. They have some of the biggest trees in Canada there. So it was beautiful that way to witness and see all that stuff.
Pamela:
Was staying warm a problem when you’re damp all the time?
Alex:
Yeah, it never really gets too cold. The average temperature was about 14 degrees. So we were extremely lucky on our trip. We watched a couple of YouTube videos before we went and we watched people experience 5, 6, and 7 days of rain straight. We had five days of sunshine and then the last two days, it kind of rained on us a little bit.
Jess:
Lightly, though. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, I couldn’t imagine it raining the entire time on the trail. It would have been very dangerous. I think that certain parts of it, it would be a bit of a hazard. So we were so grateful. We just didn’t want to jinx it. Let’s not talk about it. It’s great.
Tim:
Knock on wood.
Jess:
Keep on trucking.
Tim:
Nice. That’s cool. Yeah, especially for a bucket list thing like that for it to pour on you for seven days, that’d be a little poopy.
Alex:
And that’s why we struggle with whether or not we should go back and do it again, because we might not have the same outcome and then we might not remember it as well.
Pamela:
End on a high note.
Sea Lions, and Cougars, and Bears – Oh My!
Tim:
Yeah, tell me some of the cool things you found along the way – wicked long bridge, there was a halfway point thing that was very cool. Tell me the cool things.
Alex:
For sure! That’s the big trees. We have big trees here in Ontario, but the trees there don’t even compare. They’re just absolutely massive. Just knowing how old these trees are and how big they are, was just really, really neat to see. The one thing that I think you’re trying to ask us for is the dead sea lion that was washed onto the beach. There was a bald eagle standing on top of it, enjoying it as a meal. We did also encounter a black bear carcass that had washed ashore at some point. But yeah, as far as cool things just every day being able to look out onto the ocean because we had to sleep on the beach every single day. They’re very strict that way. They don’t want you sleeping in the forest because it’s sensitive. They don’t want you to damage any of the plants.
Jess:
Yeah, staying on the trail was really important and part of the orientation as well.
The Tides Will Turn
Alex:
Oh yeah, before we even start the trail, you have to take a one-hour orientation to learn about the tides, because the tides can rise up 10 feet or more, and then you get stuck somewhere. So you have to pay attention to the tides and the tide charts so you’re not getting pinned somewhere that you can’t get out of.
Jess:
But even for your tent placement, all the campsites are on the beach right? So you have to be mindful of where you put your tent. On only a couple of campsites, I think, we got a little close for comfort.
Alex:
You set up and the ocean is like 40-100 feet away from you, and you wake up the next morning and it’s five feet away from you.
Jess:
That’s the thing, you know, on the Great Lakes, we don’t really have to worry about tides. So that was a different element. And there was one portion of the trail as well that once we got to it, we had to wait for the tide to go out to continue on the trail. Because there was like a little cove section that we had to wait so we thought ok, we’ll stop for lunch, have a bite and then continue on afterward. So that to me is a holy smokes moment, this is no joke on this trail.
Tim:
Well, that’s interesting to do something so foreign. I mean, we have all kinds of water, but we don’t deal with that in any way shape or form. Wind sure but not tides. That’s cool.
Jess:
That’s why the orientation was so important just to get us up to speed with what we’re really going to be up against and learning about, you know, the bear boxes and everything. It was really important. That orientation was key.
Pamela:
Did you see live bears or just the bear carcass?
Alex:
We never saw a live bear, unfortunately, or fortunately, however, you want to look at it. The very first day we took the orientation we started down on the beach. We got like 100 feet onto the trail and there were bear tracks. Because of the tides, those would have been underwater about three or four hours prior, so that bear had just been there. There’s no other way for those tracks to be there because they would have been underwater. So that was kind of eye-opening right off the bat. And then at the halfway point on a couple of campsites, there were fresh posters up saying, “cougar in the area, be aware.” And then even along the trail, there are tsunami evacuation points. So like, there was so much to it! We could talk your ear off for hours and hours, I’m sure because it was just so beautiful and amazing and scary at the same time!
Tim:
Yeah, I wouldn’t have thought of tides off the top. If you spent six months planning, maybe you would come across it, but it certainly would not have occurred to me. Tsunamis??? It’s just not a thing here. We’re in the middle of the country, we don’t get tsunamis. It’s not happening. Big, four-foot waves are fine. But tsunamis? No. That’s a cool experience to have those challenges that you’re not used to. So I don’t know if somehow that would probably enhance the experience perspective-wise, looking at it as you’re going out. That’d be cool. Scary, but cool. Bear prints? Yeah. Three hours earlier. Oh, okay. Especially out there terrifies me. We did an episode where we talked about bears because people are freaked out about bears. It’s like, you know what, black bears? Not such a big deal, man. Put your food up. You’re probably okay. Grizzly bears? I don’t want to know about camping anywhere that there might be grizzly bears. So I’m just gonna stay away from that and I’m going to be okay, because I have no idea how you handle that. That’s crazy. Bear spray, I suppose. But then you watch somebody like Adam Shoalts who’s really far out and then he’s waving at them and stuff. Like, okay, you’re a way better guy than me because I’m chicken.
Alex:
And he’s doing it by himself, 1000 miles from anybody else. It does look crazy.
Tim:
He doesn’t portage but he drags the canoe with a 175-pound pack on his back and I’m just not worthy. All right, so that sounds like an awesome trip. Give me a handful of favorite things about camping what makes you want to keep going back out there?
Jess:
Well, to start there is the planning of everything. We really enjoy thinking about the trips and planning where we’re going to go and the locations and the food that we’re going to have. That’s a big portion of what we find that we enjoy even before we get camping. It’s the planning of it.
Alex:
Yeah, we almost get as much enjoyment from creating the Excel spreadsheets for what we’re gonna pack and the food and everything as we actually get from going on the canoe trips. We like our Excel spreadsheets I must say.
Pamela:
Tim spends a year planning where we’re going camping the following year.
Alex:
Oh yeah, we have trip routes planned for the next 5-10 years. Every time we stare at a map we’re just like “oh, let’s add that one on there.” “Oh, that looks like a good fishing spot, let’s go there.” Yeah, so fishing, I guess, would be a secondary thing why we enjoy our camping trips. My family was not big into fishing as a child but I’ve always enjoyed being able to go out there and catch some fish and then having a meal from it fresh is absolutely awesome too but my fishing skills are not anywhere near like some of the other famous social media people by any means.
Pamela:
I hear that Jess is quite the fisherwoman.
Alex:
She usually outfishes me. Yeah, that’s true.
Jess:
First fish! Usually, I get the first fish but not always the biggest fish.
Alex:
But still, that counts for something. We just did a spring canoe trip here a month ago, or not quite a couple of weeks ago, and yeah, she caught the first fish of course on that trip as well. Like it’s just standard. I know she’s gonna catch the first fish.
Jess:
Get the weekend started, you know, get the first one on the hook.
Tim:
Yeah. Then it’s “I’m done, signing off.”
Alex:
Yeah, I’m winning. I got it.
Pamela:
So Jess, do you clean them as well?
Jess:
I have in the past but usually, that’s Alex.
Pamela:
I usually pass that off to Tim too.
Tim:
I make the mess but I cook too, though. Wait a minute. Yeah. Hey, that’s not sharesies.
Pamela:
I wash dishes.
Tim:
Fine. Cool. Favorite places to fish? Both of you. Whether they’re different or not.
Alex:
It doesn’t really matter.
Jess:
I want to say that I’m not sure.
Alex:
I like going to new places to new lakes and not knowing what’s in the lake and trying to figure it out that way, I suppose. So right now we’re trying to catch specific species of fish. So when we go fishing, okay, let’s try and catch bass today. Let’s try and catch a walleye today and actually target specific species. So as far as the favorite lake or pond or wherever we go, it doesn’t really matter. We have some small ponds around us and we can just go and fish in them for hours at a time some days. We’re pretty close to Lake Erie. So we’ll go out on Lake Erie. We’re open to anywhere. Fishing is fun. No matter what lake you’re on. Even if you’re not catching anything, it’s still fun.
Tim:
Cool. Wow. Yes, I suppose it’s fun. It’s more fun if you catch fish, just saying.
Alex:
I absolutely agree, but it’s still way better than a day spent at work or something like that. So I’ll sit out there in the canoe all day long and not catch anything versus sit all day at work and do work.
Tim:
I hear ya. I can’t disagree with that.
Alex:
Don’t tell my boss.
Tim:
My boss knows that I’m just getting on with it as I get twitchy here. It’s like, “oh, your camping trip must be coming up.” It has been too long. I gotta go. Bye, bye.
Pamela:
Is there anything else you guys want to tell us? Maybe you can tell a story about each other?
Tim:
The time she set the tent on fire?
Alex:
No, we luckily haven’t done that, personally. No, I don’t think we have any crazy stories really. You know, that was always our parents’ fear and that’s why we started the social media thing. Our moms are always worried about “oh, you’re gonna get eaten by a bear” or something like that. So for your listeners, we’ve been doing this for almost 10 years. I’ve seen two bears in the backcountry in my entire time in two years and both times they disappeared faster than I could pull my smartphone out of my pocket and take a picture. Unbelievable! Smartphones take half a second to turn on and take a photo and that bear was gone before I can even get that out of my pocket. So that kind of eases our mother’s fears, I suppose, about us going into the backcountry and doing what we do. So that’s the semi-scariest thing, I suppose, is that everyone’s always afraid of bears, and that is not our fear at all.
Tim:
Nope, for me, it’s raccoons – “get the heck out of whatever it is that you’re into.” One year they got into my sugar cubes for my coffee, and they just kept coming back. Oh my God. I kept going out chasing them away, and I didn’t know what they were doing. So then I went back in the tent and then they’d be at it again. We tried to use a Seal bag hanging as our food storage and they climbed down the rope and chewed through the Seal bag, that heavy rubber. Not kidding. They chewed through the Seal bag and we were throwing things at them. They didn’t care. They’re just raccoons. It’s not the bears. It’s the raccoons, man, I’m telling you. They make me crazy. Then I made Thomas go out and throw things up at them because I was tired by then. Thank you so much for coming, guys.
Jess:
This has been wonderful.
Alex:
It’s been a tonne of fun.
Tim:
Cool, well, maybe we’ll do it again. After your next big adventure. What is your next big adventure?
Alex:
Oh, we have so much planned for this year, you’ll have to kind of hang along and check us out. We have some pretty cool and exciting things planned. It’s going to be an awesome summer.
Tim:
Excellent. Then we will continue to follow you on YouTube and on your Instagram.
Pamela:
Look them up as Tents and Timber on both platforms.
Tim:
They’re awesome. Thanks for coming out.
Alex:
Hey, thank you so much.
Jess:
Yes, thank you so much.
Pamela:
Thank you both so much for doing what you do. That’s it for us for today. Thank you so much for listening. And thank you so much to our special guests, Alex and Jess from Tents and Timber. Please check them out on all social media. I’m Pamela
Tim:
I’m still Tim
Pamela:
We are at hi@supergoodcamping.com. And please find us on all social media and YouTube too. We’ll talk to you again soon.
Tim:
Bye.